Let's talk OUYA 2. What would you like to see?

[Schizophretard]

Does this mean you would buy a Tegra 3-based Ouya 2 as long as it was done right, like it should've been in the first place?

Kinda but I think all future OUYA's should just be called OUYA. I'll try again to express what should be focused on with the next iteration of the OUYA. They shouldn't put all of OUYA 1.0's issues to the side and come out with an OUYA 2.0 that carries over OUYA 1.0's issues with it and all they basically do is add new chips to have OUYA 2.0 games. The next iteration should focus on fixing all the issues with OUYA 1.0 first. That is where they should start from. The OUYA 1.0 part of the OUYA 2.0 should feel like an upgraded OUYA 1.0. Like lets say OUYA was to compile a top 10 or top 20 list of common issues people have with OUYA 1.0.'s hardware. The next iteration should try to mark off most of those issues for around $99. If they mark off all the list and have money left over to still fit what would make it an OUYA 2.0 for around $99 then I would say go for it. But if they mark off the list and add in the chips to make it an OUYA 2.0 with a price something like $250 then I think they should wait until the next iteration after that to make the OUYA 2.0 when the price of doing all of that is lower. To put it another way, the next iteration of the OUYA should be a perfected OUYA 1.0 at the very least and at the most that plus an OUYA 2.0 if it will be for a cheap price. When I buy the next iteration of the OUYA, I want it to feel like it is what I want the OUYA to be now and if 2.0 is added on to that then I would just see it as a bonus but a better OUYA 1.0 is the mandatory part. To kind of spin it around many want an OUYA 2.0 that is backwards compatible with OUYA 1.0 games. I want a much better OUYA 1.0 that is forward compatible with OUYA 2.0 games only if that forward compatibility is cheap enough. Does that clear it up?

[James Andrew Coote]

Btw, if people are wondering, from a technical perspective, it'd be almost impossible for OUYA 2.0 to not be backward compatible. Android is backward compatible by design, and since NVidia own shares in OUYA, they probably can't get a better deal from another chipset provider that they can for Tegra stuff (and even then, it'd only be certain specific functions to Tegra, that most games don't use anyway, that'd be unsupported).

Kinda but I think all future OUYA's should just be called OUYA. I'll try again to express what should be focused on with the next iteration of the OUYA. They shouldn't put all of OUYA 1.0's issues to the side and come out with an OUYA 2.0 that carries over OUYA 1.0's issues with it and all they basically do is add new chips to have OUYA 2.0 games. The next iteration should focus on fixing all the issues with OUYA 1.0 first. That is where they should start from. The OUYA 1.0 part of the OUYA 2.0 should feel like an upgraded OUYA 1.0. Like lets say OUYA was to compile a top 10 or top 20 list of common issues people have with OUYA 1.0.'s hardware. The next iteration should try to mark off most of those issues for around $99. If they mark off all the list and have money left over to still fit what would make it an OUYA 2.0 for around $99 then I would say go for it. But if they mark off the list and add in the chips to make it an OUYA 2.0 with a price something like $250 then I think they should wait until the next iteration after that to make the OUYA 2.0 when the price of doing all of that is lower. To put it another way, the next iteration of the OUYA should be a perfected OUYA 1.0 at the very least and at the most that plus an OUYA 2.0 if it will be for a cheap price. When I buy the next iteration of the OUYA, I want it to feel like it is what I want the OUYA to be now and if 2.0 is added on to that then I would just see it as a bonus but a better OUYA 1.0 is the mandatory part. To kind of spin it around many want an OUYA 2.0 that is backwards compatible with OUYA 1.0 games. I want a much better OUYA 1.0 that is forward compatible with OUYA 2.0 games only if that forward compatibility is cheap enough. Does that clear it up?

I'm confident that OUYA have been, and will continue to make software improvements to fix many of the issues that the OUYA had when it was first released. Assuming they are taking the same approach with the hardware, it's not unreasonable to assume they are already working on fixing the things in OUYA 1 that were identified as a particular problem. Many of those things will require a redesign of the board inside the OUYA, at which point you might as well make other additions / improvements that are not just bug fixes. Things like an SD Card slot, extra RAM or using Tegra 4 as the basis for the board

The reason for changing the name when you do that is two fold. Firstly, it gives you an opportunity to publicly shout about how you've solved the OUYA's previous hardware problems. It's not as convincing to say "we've solved everything in the new version" if the new version and old version are in name and aesthetics, identical looking. Equally, you can advertise all the wonderful new features. This then becomes a marketing / sales opportunity. Most consumers are used to the idea of a "product launch", so you might as well take advantage of that, even if the hardware/software underneath is the result of iterative changes, rather than any great leap forward

Secondly, it helps with support issues. Consumers will know when they contact OUYA whether they bought an OUYA 1 or 2, but may not be able to tell you / remember / find on their console exactly which 1.103923 etc hardware version they have if you don't make the name change, print the new name on the side, have it look different etc etc

[haikallp]

Aside from its hardware, I'd like the OUYA to be more intuitive. They need to polish the UI and add more customization options. Android is all about customizations yet the OUYA lacks this.

They also need some form of game library management

[SlingShot]

With the way these chips are evolving OUYA 3 or 4 will be as powerful as the PS4 Xbone. Or at very least the PS3 xbox 360.

[InvaderGames]

The only improovements a new version of the OUYA could bring are:
- Better performance for games, especially REAL 1080p support, and not hardcoded like it is now.
- Consecuently, better hardware, like wifi, bluetooth and peripheirals.
- Better controllers; responsiveness, DPAD, triggers, sticks, etc (I think Julie said those are already being worked on?)
- A different design of the box/case?
- MAAAYBE some UI improovements, but I guess we will see those over time, like on the latest update.

Also, back in the days when OUYA wasnt even out yet, Julie said they would like to make future releases of the OUYA compatible with the current case, so you could just buy the PCB and replace the old one, and it would be a cheaper upgrade than buying the whole thing over again. trough I have no idea if this still stands.. it was like a year ago..

Aside from its hardware, I'd like the OUYA to be more intuitive. They need to polish the UI and add more customization options. Android is all about customizations yet the OUYA lacks this.

Look at GameStick.. its not customizable, it is headed to a different direction than OUYA, its completely closed, just like big consoles.. Android doesnt matter, its the way the company puts the software in the box that makes it more customizable or open.

With the way these chips are evolving OUYA 3 or 4 will be as powerful as the PS4 Xbone. Or at very least the PS3 xbox 360.

Apples and Oranges.

[Schizophretard]

Btw, if people are wondering, from a technical perspective, it'd be almost impossible for OUYA 2.0 to not be backward compatible. Android is backward compatible by design, and since NVidia own shares in OUYA, they probably can't get a better deal from another chipset provider that they can for Tegra stuff (and even then, it'd only be certain specific functions to Tegra, that most games don't use anyway, that'd be unsupported).

That is good to know. I've heard people make the claim that newer chips would cause backwards compatibility issues but since it is an operating system that doesn't really make sense to me. It seems similar to claiming that if I bought a new computer, put my Ubuntu 13.10 on it, and then I would discover that Ubuntu 13.10 works perfectly fine but all the programs designed for it would somehow not work. Something like that happening would be the opposite of my expectations. I would expect that Ubuntu 13.10 programs that worked on my old computer would still work and programs that wouldn't work or wouldn't work well on my old computer would on my new one. If I updated computers, put the same things on it, it would freak me out if they didn't work. I would be expecting more compatibility and not less.

I'm confident that OUYA have been, and will continue to make software improvements to fix many of the issues that the OUYA had when it was first released.

Me too.

Assuming they are taking the same approach with the hardware, it's not unreasonable to assume they are already working on fixing the things in OUYA 1 that were identified as a particular problem. Many of those things will require a redesign of the board inside the OUYA, at which point you might as well make other additions / improvements that are not just bug fixes. Things like an SD Card slot, extra RAM or using Tegra 4 as the basis for the board

I agree but if they were to give me a survey with a list of things to "pimp my OUYA ride" there would be so many other things that I would pick before extra RAM or using Tegra 4:

USB 3.0 or more RAM/Tegra 4? USB 3.0
SD card slot or more RAM/Tegra 4? SD card slot
Head phone jack or more RAM/Tegra 4? Head phone jack
32GB internal storage or more RAM/Tegra 4? 32GB internal storage
A/V jacks or more RAM/Tegra 4? A/V jacks
Paddle controllers and light gun or more RAM/Tegra 4? Paddle controllers and light gun
Bullet proof clear case or more RAM/Tegra 4? Bullet proof clear case
Include gift card or more RAM/Tegra 4? Include gift card
More USB ports or more RAM/Tegra 4? More USB ports
Two external WIFI anteenas to make it look like an alien space helmet or more RAM/Tegra 4? Two external WIFI anteenas to make it look like an alien space helmet
Ability to launch nukes from the Moon or more RAM/Tegra 4? I'll just take this as the only added feature!

I'm sure that is a little much but more RAM/Tegra 4 is way down there for me.

The reason for changing the name when you do that is two fold. Firstly, it gives you an opportunity to publicly shout about how you've solved the OUYA's previous hardware problems. It's not as convincing to say "we've solved everything in the new version" if the new version and old version are in name and aesthetics, identical looking. Equally, you can advertise all the wonderful new features. This then becomes a marketing / sales opportunity. Most consumers are used to the idea of a "product launch", so you might as well take advantage of that, even if the hardware/software underneath is the result of iterative changes, rather than any great leap forward

Secondly, it helps with support issues. Consumers will know when they contact OUYA whether they bought an OUYA 1 or 2, but may not be able to tell you / remember / find on their console exactly which 1.103923 etc hardware version they have if you don't make the name change, print the new name on the side, have it look different etc etc

I don't think shouting publicly about how you've solved the OUYA's previous hardware problems it a good selling point and putting the number 2 in its title is like saying,"Our first movie sucks but we fixed that by making a better sequel!". I rather what is being shouted is,"This movie is getting better and better!" Everything else you describe can still be done with it still being an OUYA. Just look at the white 16 GB holiday limited edition OUYA. It has all the attributes that you describe plus is shouting what I said,"This movie is getting better and better!" and yet is still just an OUYA. It isn't a sequel or next generation. It is an example of just an OUYA getting better within the same generation.

It is also an example of what I was saying about doing everything at a low price point. People have already voiced concerns over it being $129 dollars,"$30 more for 8 more GB?!" It is also an example of why I'm skeptical that an OUYA that addresses all the current hardware issues/desires plus having more RAM/Tegra 4 added would be cheap even if they waited until Dec. 31, 2014 to release it. In my mind I'm imagining an OUYA better than a Madcatz M.O.J.O and doubting I would see $99 on it. If it had more RAM/Tegra 4 then it seems like to keep the price around $99 that would have to be the only thing added or not that much more added. OUYA 1.0 is already near half way through its generation but on its website they have only added a $5 gift card to the $99 OUYA, 16 GB and a cool white look to the $129 OUYA, and on Target.com the price of the extra controller has only dropped to $41.99 which is probably just to clear out the extra stock. I'm sure there will be more holiday sales and so forth but sometimes next year there will be more RAM/Tegra 4 without sacrificing other things for $99? I'm not seeing that. The reason OUYA 1.0 has hardware issues in the first place is because they have already had to make sacrifices just to get 1GB of RAM/Tegra 3 for $99. I don't want to see history repeat itself every year while at the same time every year it is made out to be a sequel. Sticking with 1GB of RAM/Tegra 3 for one more year would give more elbow room to fit more at a $99 price point than if more RAM/Tegra 4 was added. If they could fit in more RAM/Tegra 4 without sacrificing anything or significantly raising the price then fine. I just think OUYA should add it only after they ask themselves,"What more can be added to this within this price point without having to sacrifice anything? Hmm... Well, it seems we completely pimped out this iteration of the OUYA. How it already is will get our fans practically begging for it. We should definitely have much less customer support issues than with the last one because this is some pretty good quality. That give me an idea. Since the last one has a year warranty and we dropped that whole naming it OUYA 2.0 idea it would make sense that any replacement we give out would be this iteration like we did with the new iteration of the controller. That would be a pretty sweet deal. We would get loyal customers for life doing that. We could even refurbish them and either sale them at a discount or just donate them to developers as dev kits. We could even expand on that and when we sell this iteration of the console we could give a trade in value for the last iteration. Then those we could refurbish too and either sale them at a discount or just donate them to developers as dev kits. That would definitely beat them just throwing the old one away if Game Stop won't take them as trade ins. There might even be some potential there to be able to donate a refurbished one to every single developer when we go to gaming expos. What developer could deny how open we are by doing something like that? People who care about the environment would dig that too. It would be a recycling program that gamers, developers, us, and the planet would benefit greatly from. It is already the greenest console because of its low power consumption but that would be so much better. I still think we can top that though. There has to be something more. I know! We could add more RAM and Tegra 4! That would be icing on the cake! Julie, call the president! Tell him that Black Friday should be changed to OUYA Day! You might want to call the U.N. too! Santa is going to need some help distributing this across the globe and I think they should know that Israeli and Palestinian kids will be playing OUYA with each other!"

Anyway, not having more RAM/Tegra 4 and not having a number 2 in the name is not one of OUYA's issues. If they are then that is just saying that the first movie sucks. I think that would hurt OUYA 1.0 developers more than helping them. Imagine if more RAM/Tegra 4 and the number 2 is associated with that before a game like the Free The Games Fund game Neverending Nightmares is released. It would have the appearance of obsolescence the day it is released. OUYA: "We have a new exclusive for our last generation console! Just ignore our OUYA 2.0 launch titles!" I rather them say,"We have a new exclusive for our console that just keeps getting better and better!" Giving the impression that a new generation is coming out every year is telling developers,"Your game will be obsolete within a year or obsolete when it is launched. The next generation launch titles will slam your game into the dirt and you into a homeless shelter. But we are open to your game." That makes no sense to me at all. I don't see the rush and don't see the need for a number 2. This is an indie console with small development teams. Some are only one person. They need to try to keep an even playing field and give sufficient time to allow the creation of and then the release of a game. It would also have the benefit of the library of games getting bigger instead of thinking of the games as separate libraries( OUYA 1.0 games, 2.0 games, 3.0 games). They could all just be OUYA games even if the upgrades would qualify as being called OUYA 2.0, 3.0,.... They wouldn't even have to say that it is backwards compatible which has a negative connotation with the games it is backwards compatible with(old obsolete games). They could just say,"Our new upgrade to the OUYA is still compatible with its entire library." I like the idea of making the console better and better every year. But the best time to add more RAM/Tegra 4, 5, 6, or whatever would be when development for 1GB of RAM/Tegra 3 on the OUYA starts to slow down and the developers are starting to really push the limits of it. The best time to add the number 2 would be never. I don't ever want to hear a developer say,"Update! MY OUYA 1.0 game will be an OUYA 2.0 launch title!" It isn't necessary. It could still have a model number on the bottom, look different, and so forth but I think it is better to think of them as upgrades like when the firmware on our OUYA's updates. Every time we get an update I don't think,"OUYA OS 1, OUYA OS 2, OUYA OS 3." I think of them as updates to the same OUYA OS. I think the hardware should be the same way. The Sega Genesis/Mega Drive lasted around 11 years, the Atari 2600 lasted around 14 years, and the Nintendo NES/Famicom lasted around 20. They all had different iterations in those time periods. I rather see the OUYA break some of these records with something like 30 years instead of 30 years from now they call it,"OUYA 30". OUYA: A New Kind of Game Console, Another New Kind of Game Console, Another New Kind of Game Console, Another New Kind of Game Console.... With a yearly numbering system like this OUYA should try to get the rights to use Count von Count from Sesame Street as the mascot:

 

[timmytot666]

So many letters. Moar ram/tegra 5 pllz.

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[InvaderGames]

RAM is not a problem, nor even a need. most Android systems can go just fine with 1gb, more is just to couple with larger processors or multitasking needs (the later wich OUYA doesnt have), and most of times that goes to waste

Also, James is right saying there wont be compatibility issues with a new hardware, that is one of the marvels of Android developement; an apk can work on ny device as long as you take some precaution with the screen size and input methods, wich, on a TV console wont differ much if at all.

The only compatibility 'issue' some people are scared off is the NVidia drivers; games like Shadowgun take advantage of those to get a performance boost, and people fear that without them games my not work. This is not true, especially if the new processor is better than the Tegra 3 (wich I hope, I suposse, and we all want it to be)

[timmytot666]

The ONLY reason I'm saying more ram/a better chip is so I can play gamecube games on the ouya.

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[Eldon.McGuinness]

Two external WIFI anteenas to make it look like an alien space helmet or more RAM/Tegra 4? Two external WIFI anteenas to make it look like an alien space helmet

I want this, I want this, I want this...Oh and I want this! I would totally buy a green case and slap two alien eye stickers on my OUYA at that point!