Anti Piracy...Just a wee bit Too Far!

[Killswitch]

Probably best for you to discuss the matter with the staff member instead. But you just said "shady means" so that kind of puts your argument in a bad light already.

Think about this. You are on a forum full of developers and I believe you have plans to develop too. Now how would you feel if people were talking about piracy on the console/system that contains your game? OUYA doesn't like piracy, the developers don't like piracy, the forum is anti piracy also, it's been known from the beginning. The rules of the forum for the most part follow the guidelines of OUYA and their content plus the usual rules to keep things orderly.

The act of piracy is not a gray area, it's black and white. Now there may be things that can be seen as gray area but the actual act of piracy itself isn't gray. 10% or 100% piracy is still piracy. No one is asking you to act any way but there is an absolute rule in place. But that is something that can be debated until the end of time.

Contact the staff member or someone and it can be discussed but it's an infraction, it isn't the end of the world.

This is a link I'd like to bring to your attention because it relates to this and it was posted in June. http://ouyaforum.com/showthread.php?...l=1#post135476

[RiotingSpectre]

Look, I get that this forum doesn't want to promote piracy but infractions for helping someone legally play a game through slightly shady means is quite frankly BS. Let's face facts, Android side loading is not easy on OUYA nor is it one to one. Sometimes you need hacks and mods, sometimes you need to find files in shady areas. I can see not wanting to share APK files or links to pirated materials, I'm fine with that but outright banning talks of piracy, especially when we are talking about it in regards to a legal purchase is a bit much. Piracy is a gray area but its a part of life and nothing in life is black and white. Contrary to popular belief, there are many of us pirates who do have something of a code or limit to our piracy. Hell, if we're going to ban piracy, we might as well block emulation. Seriously, raise your hand here ppl if you are actually playing with ripped Roms and isos and not some you found on a site ...See what I mean? I've said enough for now. People can be pretentious and act like they are high and mighty, above piracy but I refuse to act that way.

Probably best for you to discuss the matter with the staff member instead. But you just said "shady means" so that kind of puts your argument in a bad light already.

Think about this. You are on a forum full of developers and I believe you have plans to develop too. Now how would you feel if people were talking about piracy on the console/system that contains your game? OUYA doesn't like piracy, the developers don't like piracy, the forum is anti piracy also, it's been known from the beginning. The rules of the forum for the most part follow the guidelines of OUYA and their content plus the usual rules to keep things orderly.

The act of piracy is not a gray area, it's black and white. Now there may be things that can be seen as gray area but the actual act of piracy itself isn't gray. 10% or 100% piracy is still piracy. No one is asking you to act any way but there is an absolute rule in place. But that is something that can be debated until the end of time.

Contact the staff member or someone and it can be discussed but it's an infraction, it isn't the end of the world.

This is a link I'd like to bring to your attention because it relates to this and it was posted in June. http://ouyaforum.com/showthread.php?...l=1#post135476

I'm going to be responding to both of you so don't get confused.

As Killswitch said we're mimicking the guidelines OUYA Incorporate had set for itself; though heavily altered to adhere to a forum type environment. The company doesn't endorse emulation but at the same time doesn't stop it from coming onto the platform nor makes comments like it doesn't exist. This is because emulation and piracy go hand and hand which means endorsing the former would be interpreted as endorsing the latter which would make the judicial system scream in terror from the amount of lawsuits flooding in. We're a forum that's heavily watched by the company we unofficially represent at this point in time so naturally we're going to be extra strict in what content gets filtered. What you (in particular) did, LightyKD was pretty vanilla piracy that would have been removed even if we weren't who we were.

I reviewed your infraction, the post, and the thread it was in and the infraction stays. In the removed post you said yourself that what you were going to have this member do in order to get a game to work was "partial-piracy". After you said that you gave instructions that weren't "partial" at all as it was piracy, clear as day. As Killswitch said there's no gray coloring when it comes to what's considered piracy and it's all black & white with this clearly being black (i.e. unacceptable).

Furthermore, the point made that everybody is a pirate is shaky. Unless someone specifically states that they've pirated (which happens a lot actually) or doesn't publicly condone in acts of piracy then they're automatically considered someone who hasn't pirated. There are holes to this logic considering that M.A.M.E. exist and people who use that definitely don't have an entire arcade in their house but it's something that we look away on because OUYA Incorporate allowed submission of the M.A.M.E. application to Discover. This unlike my previous point is the gray area Staff & OUYA Incorporate allows to exist on their respective domains. Anything other than that it something we don't allow.

As for this thread's existence; it's fine. It would have been better to private message a different Staff member who had no relation to the incident like myself instead of making a public outburst, but given that it's not a anti-Staff post and instead a website related post means it's not something I can exactly forcefully close to have handled more gracefully. The link Killswitch posted pertains to OUYAlytics and piracy in general so I'd recommend everybody brush up on it because more infractions will follow if you embrace the existence of piracy on here.