Agreed Jon.
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Agreed Jon.
Things change, the World is like that. Just ignore the new games that don't have a demo and you'll be no worse off since they wouldn't even be there otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon_TWR
I would like to see an edit of the Ouya Kickstarter video that shows what all has changed...
But I will be worse off...there will be devs who don't include a demo because it's not required, but would have had a demo if it were still a requirement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiwiboyus
Additionally, OUYA, Inc has pretty much burned the last of their trust capital. The revolution is over...and it's looking more and more like it was never real, just a marketing angle.
From my point of view. If this means more games available to the platform ... I have no problem with it. I also feel like not offering a demo means that less people will be inclined to buy a title.
Some of you think that devs will continue providing demos after this rule takes place.
I'd say you're very optimistic.
Why would devs invest time into making a demo when the data shows that it hurts sales?
Some will make demos, sure, because they want the players to love their game before purchasing it, but most will not provide demos in the future IMO.
Besides, once the first non free to try games hit the store, all the others will follow because "others are doing it too".
You don't believe me?
Show me a platform that doesn't have a demo requirement and where the majority of games have a demo. Take your time, I'll wait.
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Originally Posted by Eddie K
Don't forget that there are two sides to a gamer and consumer which is each other. As I a gamer I agree with your notion, however as a consumer I feel as though this goes against my interest for the sake of something that isn't needed just yet if needed at all considering it's OUYA we're talking about. Yes, it's a business and they need to maximum profits but they already subjugated themselves to lesser revenue from the start due to their unique approaches and challenging a working formula. They knew from the start where they were going to go and despite the fact the the Kickstarter was a surprise hit, I doubt they had their heads in the clouds about what the road ahead would contain when they took their policies into consideration.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian-Krassenstein
Agreed and we Staff know this best of all regardless if we partake in the pissing match ourselves. However, we're all aware that OUYA Incorporate does some stupid things such as releasing the Free The Games system in such an incomplete state which resulted in backlash and consumer loyalty degradation. The Free The Games debacle was especially retarded because as I said before; the solution was so fucking simple that all it would have taken to fix it was sitting down with someone else for five damn minutes and using their brains while thinking "Is what we're doing the correct way?". So many members perfected the idea in the first ten minutes when we were aware of the risk of the Free The Games and the entire company ignored us until the damage had been dealt. I think this is another example of an imperfect decision that is not being thought out and we're paying for it yet again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddie K
Also, yes I know nothing is perfect.
As would I, but it's not at the "Go For Broke" moment just yet. Assuming of course they're not just over in California literally burning stacks money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddie K
While I have been a huge Ouya supporter, this is a bad move in my opinion.
If Ouya makes a new queue/category for games with demos, then I can still support the Ouya. I don't want to waste my time sifting through the inevitable avalanche of well marketed, but poorly designed software that is about to hit the Ouya. I will still support developers that make games with demos for the Ouya if Ouya makes them easy to find. Otherwise I think my Ouya will become less attractive and probably receive less of my attention and money. I hope Ouya listens to their consumers as much as the developers because quantity can obscure quality and ultimately make the system less attractive.
*Free to Try for cheap indie games helps keep poorly supported software out of the market place. It is like taking a test to get a job at Family Video, yes it seems like a burden, but it is there to prevent the applicant/developer that doesn't apply pride and devotion to their work from interacting with the client.
*AAA, excluding budget title console games, are too expensive to produce and distribute a horrible game. The risk of financial loss in AAA markets provides a natural checks and balances system to keep producers from relying on clever marketing to make sales, instead of relying on a well made product.
*Free to Try is the most democratic form of a marketplace. Requiring a purchase creates and sustains a consumer report industry that is easily manipulated by video game industry giants. The Microsoft and Machinima pay for lip service scandal is a good example of how much a person can manipulate the purchase to play system. This was just a weak attempt that was outed. Free to read "Consumer Review" publications tend to be heavily supported by advertisements, advertisements paid for by large publishers. If the marketing attempts don't turn a high Return on Investment then do you think that these publications will receive more advertisement revenue? Edge Magazine, a pay-to-read publication and Variety, a publication that is supported by a wide gamut of advertisers, have two of the lowest average review scores for a reason. The pay-to-play system is a fundamentally flawed system.
*This was the single most pro-consumer selling point that I could present for the Ouya vs. other consoles. It will remain a great party system, but at this point I believe that certain developers have pushed Ouya into a anti-user policy. Good programmers have a goal of meeting user wants and needs. Any programmer that doesn't have time for a policy that is beneficial for the user probably lacks the most important characteristic of a good programmer.
I don't blame devs for wanting this but Ouya should have just worked with them on making demos or making it easy to do a timed trial or something. They should have made the free to try system work instead of abandoning it. I understand things change but certain changes can make a company lose its identity. This reeks of desperation and makes me wonder if Ouya is doing really bad financially.
In any case, while I still like my Ouya it will be a lot harder for me to get behind or believe anything the company does or says at this point.
Guys, but everything is as simple as it always was, because it's an OPTION it's not mandatory, meaning, if you want your game to be more appealing to players with a free to try model ,DO IT if you don't want it , DON'T DO IT, but it's up to us to choose, if you don't want to buy the mandatory-buying games, then DON'T , but it's all up to you! , free to try was a clever motion, so is letting everyone in, but if we don't want it, we don't buy it and we continue doing the things just as always, this is not a DROP OF FREE TO TRY, it's just another option. and I firmly believe it's a good one, making my console better, and maybe that way killer apps would come, maybe we'll even see minecraft! (which is always PAIDTOPLAY , and the demos actually suck) and other games that you would know they could be good as AN OPTION, but if you don't want them , as i stated before, Free-to-try games would still be coming!
I really think, Ouya it's a noob company, not because of their decisions but because of time in the market, and they lack a lot of things, like personel (like a comunity manager that keeps in contact with consumers every single day) and things like that. we cannot force them to take the choices and decisions to make, as they make it to survive in the market and become more appealing, not because of the BIG BUCK , because I don't really think they all make the big buck with this console, more for surviving and evolving in the market, as the company being as new as it is , has not such a great revenue. I believe letting in Big Devs in taking this motion, would make us gamers more proud of our console, and that would lead to a better experience making the ouya better, as the comunity and the value of it. here in Peru , NOBODY KNOWS what the hell it's an Ouya, but I believed in it , I have no ps3 nor xbox nor any other console but My old Nes and Snes (and my brothers' Wii and Ds's which I don't like ) , but I decided to buy an Ouya as my all-in-one console, and I personally like this decision.